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more support for boehner now than anytime in his speaker ship. is that's setting up for -- >> but it is social media and twitter allows to you see these things. >> sausage factory into the front of the kitchen. >> exactly. >> geithner didn't use the word marginal rates had to go up, just said rates. >> rates are already going up. there will be a tax increase to people making more than 250 anyway because of the health care law. so the idea that somehow they will get a freebie is just crazy. >> california at 52%, new york and other places -- >> when you add up all the state and local taxes. hawaii is above 50, as well. >> hawaii is worth it, though. >> california is not bad either. >> unless you need to drive somewhere. right? and don't have a helicopter. >> there's a reason the president takes a helicopter anywhere. you can't drive in d.c. sdl those a >> boston in the city can get like that. last night i was thinking in my mother was still alive, cincinnati versus here, she would see like ten cars an and go oh, i can't believe people -- if she had
more support for boehner now than anytime in his speaker ship. is that's setting up for -- >> but it is social media and twitter allows to you see these things. >> sausage factory into the front of the kitchen. >> exactly. >> geithner didn't use the word marginal rates had to go up, just said rates. >> rates are already going up. there will be a tax increase to people making more than 250 anyway because of the health care law. so the idea that somehow they will get...
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comments are very interesting around boehner taking those actions around tea party members in the house. that's substantial. i think at the end of the day it will all come down to means testing. means testing on dividends, means testing on medicare, means testing on social security. that's the way they come to agreement. if you add up all the means testing moves on social security an medicare, that gets but $800 million right there. >> what's the cliff doing to gold? gold's been obviously an interesting trade over the last several sessions. it's been down $30 or so a couple different times. cliff related or something else going on? >> i think it's definitely more economically related. if you look over the last year, take morgan stanley five-year cds versus gold. every time we've had a rise in systemic risk, gold has fallen. over the last month or so, the financial cds, big banks of the united states, that's improved. so there's less global systemic risk, less lehman like risk. but gold has been acting poorly along with oil. so a lot of the economically sensitive under -- indicators are
comments are very interesting around boehner taking those actions around tea party members in the house. that's substantial. i think at the end of the day it will all come down to means testing. means testing on dividends, means testing on medicare, means testing on social security. that's the way they come to agreement. if you add up all the means testing moves on social security an medicare, that gets but $800 million right there. >> what's the cliff doing to gold? gold's been obviously...
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and boehner i think is under even more enormous pressure because a lot of people see boehner if the house as the last best hope for a voiding what a lot of people think is a calamity. >> but leadership isn't calling the other side names. i think when you talk about the big four, boehner, reid, pelosi -- >> no, not them. >> obama is on the legislative branch. we have to give him a break on that. but there are four big people. those four people couldn't be more inept. >> it's boehner -- the mcconnell and pelosi and reid have nothing to do with what's going on between boehner and obama. >> to some extent that's true. >> reid is the guy that pushed obama to extend the bush tax rates in 2010. so reid would i suspect -- >> i'm starting to like him more. i thought of him as senator pat geary from godfather 2. but everybody loves harry. there's a song everybody loves harry. anybodies that that has anything to do with casinos loves harry. just a quick question. you were a big cap guy for a long time. now dividends rates where going up. are you still a big cap guy? i've been a small cap guy. i'll t
and boehner i think is under even more enormous pressure because a lot of people see boehner if the house as the last best hope for a voiding what a lot of people think is a calamity. >> but leadership isn't calling the other side names. i think when you talk about the big four, boehner, reid, pelosi -- >> no, not them. >> obama is on the legislative branch. we have to give him a break on that. but there are four big people. those four people couldn't be more inept. >>...
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speaker boehner is about to speak. here he is. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and our jobs, the white house has wasted another week. you know, eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code and cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion-dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen. washington's got a spending probl
speaker boehner is about to speak. here he is. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and our jobs, the white house has wasted another week. you know, eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of...
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when it comes to higher taxes, you seem to disagree with house speaker boehner when he says raising taxes on the highest earners will hurt jobs. can you elaborate on that? >> i think what the speaker is saying quite correctly is you don't want to increase taxes on the job creators. the problem here is the 1986 act that equalized corporate and personal rates. so the most important thing is to have an internationally competitive corporate rate of 25% and a territorial tax system and then individuals who have been filing their businesses as s-corporations or pass-through corporations can incorporate and get that lower rate. they can negotiate on the individual rates. >> so you don't think the ordinary income, then, the 39.6% that we're talking about, in that case, would apply to small business. they would fall under the corporate tax rate. >> yes, exactly. people forget that until 1986, corporate and individual rates were separate. a big part of the '86 act was to equalize them. there's a big difference between 2012 and 1986. only 17% of our economy was related to trade in '86. last year in
when it comes to higher taxes, you seem to disagree with house speaker boehner when he says raising taxes on the highest earners will hurt jobs. can you elaborate on that? >> i think what the speaker is saying quite correctly is you don't want to increase taxes on the job creators. the problem here is the 1986 act that equalized corporate and personal rates. so the most important thing is to have an internationally competitive corporate rate of 25% and a territorial tax system and then...
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. >>> meantime, house speaker boehner and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses and it is not a game that i will play. >> is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the wealthiest 2%. remember it's only 2%. >> with just 25 days to go, the political satandoff could cost the u.s. millions of jobs. professor, good to have you back, good morning. >> good to be here, thanks. >> good read in the journal yesterday from you and if anybody needed to worry about this more, you invoke carter, you're talking about 1980. kind of scenarios if in fact we go over
. >>> meantime, house speaker boehner and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for...
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sometimes i feel bad for the speaker, speaker boehner. he's caught between the elected obama and the ufrn elected norquist crossfire. there's not a lot of room to maneuver in that space. tuesday we've got two big investor meetings. first there's dell world. dell world? i like kirby's fourth world. there's dell world. is the risk taken out of this one now? it's down so low. or does it even matter? deleveraged buyout as goldman hinted in its sell-buy research upgrade this week? second, there's a -- how many times can you tell us that monster drinks aren't any worse and may actually be better than a cup of joe from starbucks? let us count the ways that this analyst meeting slash lovefest, they will tell you that there's no better way to preserve your heart than to drink a taste of monster every morning. now, analysts will be plenty hopped up when they come out of this meeting because they'll be recommending this stock in high-speed fashion. next on wednesday we're going to get the results from joy global. here's the company that has the best
sometimes i feel bad for the speaker, speaker boehner. he's caught between the elected obama and the ufrn elected norquist crossfire. there's not a lot of room to maneuver in that space. tuesday we've got two big investor meetings. first there's dell world. dell world? i like kirby's fourth world. there's dell world. is the risk taken out of this one now? it's down so low. or does it even matter? deleveraged buyout as goldman hinted in its sell-buy research upgrade this week? second, there's a...
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so when boehner comes out and gives his talk right after the election -- >> but honestly, the administration has criticized the republicans because there are no specifics in the spending cuts. >> come on, look. the erskine bowles language -- you know how this works. house republicans are will -- >> give me one. >> i won't play that game and here's why. house republicans -- house republicans are willing to sit . house republicans are willing to sit down. they're not any more anxious to deal with the cuts and pass the cuts than anybody else is but we demonstrated through the ryan budget, we did it once, we did it twice -- >> i'll give you that point. i wish everybody would stop talking about this in public and get behind closed doors and actually make this happen. i can't believe the amount of tough that is talking, the tough talk, we'll go over the cliff, we'll go over the cliff. >> let me ask you a point. it's a fiscal speed bump a $600 billion tax we need. the real thing we're headed for is the long-term progress we have to make. i'm very concerned the atmosphere is very poisoned the $600 b
so when boehner comes out and gives his talk right after the election -- >> but honestly, the administration has criticized the republicans because there are no specifics in the spending cuts. >> come on, look. the erskine bowles language -- you know how this works. house republicans are will -- >> give me one. >> i won't play that game and here's why. house republicans -- house republicans are willing to sit . house republicans are willing to sit down. they're not any...
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. >>> president obama an house speaker john boehner met face-to-face. now just 22 days away, we don't have much details on theirs conversation. >>> some gay couples living in washington state made history after midnight sunday becoming the first legal same-sex marriages in the state. the governor signed the voter approved referendum into law on wednesday. >>> some very sad news for fans of music super star jenni rivera. they have found the wreckage of the private jet believed to be carrying the popular mexican-american singer. there doesn't appear to be any survivors. the plane lost contact early sunday morning. those are your headlines this hour. cnn, the most trusted name in news. >> it's almost impossible to imagine what madonna badger has opinion through. she woke up to find her house engulfed in flames. she was unable to save her three young daughters and her parents. nearly a year she's learning to try to get on with her life. an extraordinary example of strength and courage. she joins me in a primetime exclusive. i don't even know where to start
. >>> president obama an house speaker john boehner met face-to-face. now just 22 days away, we don't have much details on theirs conversation. >>> some gay couples living in washington state made history after midnight sunday becoming the first legal same-sex marriages in the state. the governor signed the voter approved referendum into law on wednesday. >>> some very sad news for fans of music super star jenni rivera. they have found the wreckage of the private jet...
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two days after the election, boehner came up with a tax revenue plan. very controversial in his party. he said, let's cap deductions and loopholes and leave the race alone because that help growth. that was $800 billion. it shocked a lot of republicans. and he got nothing. he got, you know, nothing from obama. and i think that started the bad blood. and i think the president -- >> good point. they both got to learn the art of negotiation. >> we haven't heard from democrats in the senate. i'm going to guarantee you that the democrats in the senate are going to be split on this business of who's rich and what the right tax rates are going to be. >> i have to leave it there, chaps. nick, larry, thank you both much, indeed. >>> coming up next, kerry kennedy joins me about fame, politics and most important of all, taylor swift. like a lot of things, trying to find a better job can be frustrating. so at university of phoenix we're working with a growing list of almost two thousand corporate partners - companies like microsoft, american red cross and adobe - t
two days after the election, boehner came up with a tax revenue plan. very controversial in his party. he said, let's cap deductions and loopholes and leave the race alone because that help growth. that was $800 billion. it shocked a lot of republicans. and he got nothing. he got, you know, nothing from obama. and i think that started the bad blood. and i think the president -- >> good point. they both got to learn the art of negotiation. >> we haven't heard from democrats in the...
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[ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. [ yawning sound ] >>> president obama, house speaker john boehner met face-to-face at the white house to prevent the fiscal cliff now just 23 day as way. we don't have any details of their conversation. reps for both sides say lines of communication remain open. >>> some gay couples living in washington state made history after sunday becoming the first legal same-sex marriages in the state. sarah and emily coiffeur were the first to get married at the king county courthouse in seattle. the governor signed the vote area proved referendum into law on wednesday. very sad news for jiffy riff air yachlt they found the wreckage after private jet carrying the mechl canal singer and six others and there doesn't appear to be any survivors. they lost contact with the air traffic controllers earlier this morning. >>> those are your headlines this hour. i'm don lemon keeping you informed. cnn, the most trusted name in news. both are used to treat men with low testosterone. androgel 1.62% is from the makers of the number one prescribed testosterone replacement
[ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. [ yawning sound ] >>> president obama, house speaker john boehner met face-to-face at the white house to prevent the fiscal cliff now just 23 day as way. we don't have any details of their conversation. reps for both sides say lines of communication remain open. >>> some gay couples living in washington state made history after sunday becoming the first legal same-sex marriages in the state. sarah and emily coiffeur were the first to get...
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if john boehner says, look, mr. president, if you're going to force us to take the tax rates up, that's something we don't want to do, we'll go to 800, but that's it. we're not going to go beyond that, and you can't expect anything from us on a grand bargain beyond 800. that would really reduce the size of any kind of grand bargain. so in some ways, don, what's at stake here is whether they can craft a deal that's win/win. that each side can walk away from something in the short term saying we're encouraged. this gives us greater reason to go on and engage in the grand bargain next year. >> okay. you know, as republicans start to talk about maybe giving, you know, something on this tax hike for the wealthy, is this a white flag? i'm sure some will see it as a waving of a white flag, no? >> there will be a lot of democrats who think it's a white flag and they will say, mr. president, this is gl what he said. you hang tough with those guys and in the end they will cave and there will be some justification for that. ag
if john boehner says, look, mr. president, if you're going to force us to take the tax rates up, that's something we don't want to do, we'll go to 800, but that's it. we're not going to go beyond that, and you can't expect anything from us on a grand bargain beyond 800. that would really reduce the size of any kind of grand bargain. so in some ways, don, what's at stake here is whether they can craft a deal that's win/win. that each side can walk away from something in the short term saying...
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>> i'm not with boehner. this government doesn't need anymore money. this country needs less government. we're going to have historic levels of revenue to the government this year. >> everyone's taxes are going up at the end of the year if there's no deal. >> we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to compromise as far as taxes are concerned? >> how we go about tax reform, there's a lot of room to work together to lower the rates. >> give me an example? >> i'm not sure where the democrats are because they have not offered a plan. >> their plan is to keep the bush tax rates from 2001, 2003 forever. make them permanent. top 2% let them go from 35% to 39.6%. >> it's incredible we're even talking about it because it doesn't solve the problem. >> it's a beginning. >> it runs the government for five or six days. >> but it's a beginning. a billion here, a billion there winds up being
>> i'm not with boehner. this government doesn't need anymore money. this country needs less government. we're going to have historic levels of revenue to the government this year. >> everyone's taxes are going up at the end of the year if there's no deal. >> we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you...
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does john boehner have more control? >> they think obama can get anything through the house of representatives. but everything that has happened since the election all of the moves in the republican caucus have been about boehner consolidating control over that tea party caucus that didn't allow boehner to get a deal in 2011. >> there will be some criticism about it being two people at the table. will they get a deal done? >> i think there's some criticism from republicans about secret negotiations. i hate to break to to people in washington, but all negotiations over policy are secret in washington. that's how legislation gets done. you have to be in a room with negotiators to cut a deal. i wouldn't fret. >> they get criticized for not talking to each other and criticized for how to talk to each other. king maker, leaving before his term is up. says he could be more effective outside of the senate. what are they making of this in washington? >> a lot of people say the allure of a think tank with a big salary. >> more th
does john boehner have more control? >> they think obama can get anything through the house of representatives. but everything that has happened since the election all of the moves in the republican caucus have been about boehner consolidating control over that tea party caucus that didn't allow boehner to get a deal in 2011. >> there will be some criticism about it being two people at the table. will they get a deal done? >> i think there's some criticism from republicans...
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>> reporter: they are a long way from a deal, but late today speaker boehner and president obama did speak to one another on the phone. now, this is an important development because it's the first time they've talked in a week about the fiscal cliff. i am told, though, that there was no real progress in negotiations. in this sense there was no breakthrough on that central point of tax rates. as you know, president obama insists there is no deal unless the gop agrees to raise rates on the top 2% of earners. the gop says that's a nonstarter and the two men have not moved from that basic position. now, all of this quomz comes at the same time treasury secretary geithner also said for the first time the administration would be willing to go over the fiscal cliff if the gop does not agree to raise those rates. this was treasury secretary geithner earlier today on cnbc. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all americans get a tax cut on
>> reporter: they are a long way from a deal, but late today speaker boehner and president obama did speak to one another on the phone. now, this is an important development because it's the first time they've talked in a week about the fiscal cliff. i am told, though, that there was no real progress in negotiations. in this sense there was no breakthrough on that central point of tax rates. as you know, president obama insists there is no deal unless the gop agrees to raise rates on the...
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will you call john boehner tomorrow morning and say mr. speaker, i think you should release that bill and allow republicans to show whether they are pledged to me or pledged to the united states. >> first of all, let's be serious. you know better than that. the pledge that congressmen and senators, governors, state legislators, take is to the american people. i know harry reid plays games and says me but you shouldn't do that. you're better than that. >> grover, answer my question. don't play games right now. will you -- do you think that they should actually vote -- >> i'll answer -- >> -- do you -- >> i will answer your question. we just had to take off the question the nonsense attack that i expect from harry reid. i will call mr. boehner tomorrow shortly after i call harry reid and ask him to make sure that the senate rules will allow open debate and open amendment and that he won't play games as he's been doing for the last four years, and when harry agrees to that, i will call boehner and ask him to alter house rules. >> okay. >> i'l
will you call john boehner tomorrow morning and say mr. speaker, i think you should release that bill and allow republicans to show whether they are pledged to me or pledged to the united states. >> first of all, let's be serious. you know better than that. the pledge that congressmen and senators, governors, state legislators, take is to the american people. i know harry reid plays games and says me but you shouldn't do that. you're better than that. >> grover, answer my question....
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that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that the president clearly has staked out a position of nonseriousness. and i think that it's very difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins me now. dana, can we expect fire woworkt the meeting this morning? >> reporter: possibly, carol. one thing that has been interesting with regard to john boehner's leadership of the republican conference, which certainly is very conservative and he has had to balance that with negotia
that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that the president clearly has staked out a position of nonseriousness. and i think that it's very difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to...
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house speaker john boehner called white house efforts to make a deal preposterous. the republican counter we're hearing about which extends the bush tax cuts for everybody including the wealthiest americans won't get washington any closer to a deal. washington's reckless behavior is already having serious economic consequences. i'm going to show you how and make sure you understand the truth about that raising taxes would mean for the economy, but first, set aside the doom and gloom of the fiscal cliff for a moment, let's look at today's money menu. check out auto sales up big in november. sales of gm cars were up 3.4%. ford saw a 6.5% jump in sales and chrysler shot up 14%. u.s. autos are on track to see their best sales month nationwide since february of 2008 as the big three continues to put the auto bailout in the rear view mirror. ford never took the bailout money from the government. what's sibehind the surge in au sales, no short cuts. the jobs outlook is looking better. access to finance is improving if you want to buy a car. you combine that with the increa
house speaker john boehner called white house efforts to make a deal preposterous. the republican counter we're hearing about which extends the bush tax cuts for everybody including the wealthiest americans won't get washington any closer to a deal. washington's reckless behavior is already having serious economic consequences. i'm going to show you how and make sure you understand the truth about that raising taxes would mean for the economy, but first, set aside the doom and gloom of the...
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so john boehner trying to simplify things. he's asking top democrats and republica republicans to step aside so he can negotiate with the president one-on-one. it seems to be a request that everyone was able to live with. brianna keilar is live for us at the white house. if this is the case that everybody has been cleared out of the room, does that surprise you? it seems to make sense to me. >> reporter: it's not surprising at all. this is what observers of this process thought would happen all along. ultimately this was a process that would come down to president obama and house speaker john boehner brokering a deal. very much the way you saw they attempted to do during the debt ceiling debacle last year. it simplifies the problem of less cooks in the kitchen. then they will have to sell it. president obama would have to bring in democrats. john boehner would have to bring in his republicans and make sure everyone is on board. this comes on the heels of what has really been radio silence between the white house and house repu
so john boehner trying to simplify things. he's asking top democrats and republica republicans to step aside so he can negotiate with the president one-on-one. it seems to be a request that everyone was able to live with. brianna keilar is live for us at the white house. if this is the case that everybody has been cleared out of the room, does that surprise you? it seems to make sense to me. >> reporter: it's not surprising at all. this is what observers of this process thought would...
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it's interesting to hear boehner saying, listen, nowhere, period. nowhere. which sounded very final and very bloomy. earlier when i was talking to senator blumenthal, he was like, i'm optimistic. i'm kind of hopeful. what do you think? >> i think first of all the timing of this probably couldn't be worse for negotiation purposes from our perspective to some degree. right before the holidays, which is a tough time for politicians anyway. in some terms we feel like it's light years between now and the new year. it's really not. it's right around the corner. lawmakers will continue to feel a lot more pressure between now and then to get something done. at the same time we're coming off the heels of this election. to some degree we're kind of trying to find our negotiating legs, if you will. nonetheless, it's critically important. i think it's critically important we say to the american people that we get the fiscal house in order. >> how do you do that in realistically 29 days? what do you say? >> let me go back to this. no one should be surprised we are in the
it's interesting to hear boehner saying, listen, nowhere, period. nowhere. which sounded very final and very bloomy. earlier when i was talking to senator blumenthal, he was like, i'm optimistic. i'm kind of hopeful. what do you think? >> i think first of all the timing of this probably couldn't be worse for negotiation purposes from our perspective to some degree. right before the holidays, which is a tough time for politicians anyway. in some terms we feel like it's light years between...
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but republican house speaker john boehner flatly rejected the plan on the table and what he calls the white house's unwillingness to compromise. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him, i said, you can't be serious. i've never seen anything like it. you know, we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> you know, i think right now the best thing to do is for them to come to us and say, look, here's what we think makes sense. we've told them what we think makes sense. what we can't do is try to figure out what's going to be good for them. they have to come tell us. >> house minority leader and democrat nancy pelosi also jumping into the fray. she's renewed threats to bring a middle income tax cut bill to the house floor if boehner refuses to schedule a vote on the cuts this week. we'll keep you posted. >>> for the past six years, you have helped cnn honor the men and women whose efforts in their communities are changing the lives of others. this year you selected a woman from nepal as your 2012
but republican house speaker john boehner flatly rejected the plan on the table and what he calls the white house's unwillingness to compromise. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him, i said, you can't be serious. i've never seen anything like it. you know, we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> you know, i think right now the best thing to do is for them to come to us and say, look,...
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so that's $200 billion less than speaker boehner's. also something in here that the white house has proposed as a nonstarter for house republicans was having congress give up their debt limit vote. the white house is call being speaker boehner's counteroffer not serious. they're saying there needs to be specifics. but i will tell you that democratic leadership made in a moment of i guess you could say truth, that it does pass the last test. obviously democrats don't like it but it certainly could have more things in it that they don't like. so maybe it's not, as far as a starting point, they actual ply were surprised that republicans -- >> the saying on this one, is he crazy? >> maybe. >> all right. so so far both plans have proposed entitlement cuts but neither has given any specifics. the gop plan calls for an increase in tax revenue but no specifics on where that will come from. how much of this is a real negotiation and how much of it is just politics as usual? >> right now a lot of this is politics and posturing, and sort of openi
so that's $200 billion less than speaker boehner's. also something in here that the white house has proposed as a nonstarter for house republicans was having congress give up their debt limit vote. the white house is call being speaker boehner's counteroffer not serious. they're saying there needs to be specifics. but i will tell you that democratic leadership made in a moment of i guess you could say truth, that it does pass the last test. obviously democrats don't like it but it certainly...
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because even if they do, can john boehner deliver? >> well, it's a question, if he doesn't have a revolt on his hands. so far, outside conservative groups are saying don't touch those rates. but inside the republican caucus right now, they're remaining pretty silent. and the democrats, the president has the same problem in many ways than john boehner has. because he's going to lose a lot of his base -- >> if there's entitlement cuts. >> if there's entitlement cuts. and john boehner is going to lose a lot of his base if you raise tax increases. so both of these men are in the same political position, if you will. the president clearly has more leverage, won the election. but this is not without political risk for both of them. after all, isn't that what leadership's about sometime, taking a political risk? >> but we'll see, this is a critical week, this week right now. gloria, thanks very much. >>> we're also getting word of a big move by the national republican party. they're trying to understand why so many of their candidates lost t
because even if they do, can john boehner deliver? >> well, it's a question, if he doesn't have a revolt on his hands. so far, outside conservative groups are saying don't touch those rates. but inside the republican caucus right now, they're remaining pretty silent. and the democrats, the president has the same problem in many ways than john boehner has. because he's going to lose a lot of his base -- >> if there's entitlement cuts. >> if there's entitlement cuts. and john...
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boehner want to agree to that. so it argues that it may be much easier for mr. boehner to have a vote on the taxes come up in the first week of january than the republicans are voting to lower taxes because the state of the law will be at the clinton rates so then they don't have to deal with the norquist pledge. it's not the way we should do it but it's the way it will get done. host: a report says republicans have a fallback plan. if the two sides can't come to an agreement, possibly they look at extending the tax cuts for the middle class americans now and later in january, february when there's another deadline for the debt ceiling, go back to the negotiating table and fight for more spending cuts and tax cuts for the wealthier americans. how -- the house leader, nancy pelosi, has a discharge petition to put extending tax cuts for the middle class on the floor. you're the vote counter. do you have enough votes? guest: we don't have enough votes to get the discharge petition out. i think the republican will hold out. the discharge petition makes a point but i
boehner want to agree to that. so it argues that it may be much easier for mr. boehner to have a vote on the taxes come up in the first week of january than the republicans are voting to lower taxes because the state of the law will be at the clinton rates so then they don't have to deal with the norquist pledge. it's not the way we should do it but it's the way it will get done. host: a report says republicans have a fallback plan. if the two sides can't come to an agreement, possibly they...
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john boehner opened the door for that. president obama has indicated no intention of looking at that. host: what deductions would you put on the table? guest: tax reform is not to raise revenue. is to make the tax code less of a drag on the economy. we do that by lowering tax rates and getting rid of some deductions, exemptions, credits. but we do not do it to raise revenue. host: chuck marra, how important our deductions? guest: they are very important. if you get into this notion that they are loopholes, then you look at the very popular deductions the people rely on. they're trying to balance the economic weakness with the long-term needs of the economy, which is that we do face a future of deficits that are unsustainable. we are trying to stabilize the debt has a share of our economy over time. that means about $4 trillion in savings. the good news is, last year, the congress and the president got together and locked in about $4 trillion of spending cuts. it has to be enacted. we're talking about 40% of the spending bu
john boehner opened the door for that. president obama has indicated no intention of looking at that. host: what deductions would you put on the table? guest: tax reform is not to raise revenue. is to make the tax code less of a drag on the economy. we do that by lowering tax rates and getting rid of some deductions, exemptions, credits. but we do not do it to raise revenue. host: chuck marra, how important our deductions? guest: they are very important. if you get into this notion that they...
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the aides to boehner and obama are here. they're still working. there are times when even this week thail get frustrated -- they'll get frustrated and stop talking to each other, so i'm not sure if they're talking to each other today or not. but obama said he thinks this could be done in a week and enge he's right. host: there's a feeling about that on the hill? guest: yes. republicans see the writing on the wall. about tax increases. so they want to make sure they get spending cuts to go with it. president obama said 1.6 in tax increases and spending cuts won't take place until next year. by considering that obama has been open to spending cuts in previous negotiations, and says he's open to it now. and republicans have changed from where they were a year ago when it comes to tax increases, i think it won't take too much to get there, although -- >> that segment and more at our special webpage c-span.org/fiscal cliff. now to the senate side of capitol hill for gos on the pending tax hikes and budget cuts. >> there's enough writing on the walls to
the aides to boehner and obama are here. they're still working. there are times when even this week thail get frustrated -- they'll get frustrated and stop talking to each other, so i'm not sure if they're talking to each other today or not. but obama said he thinks this could be done in a week and enge he's right. host: there's a feeling about that on the hill? guest: yes. republicans see the writing on the wall. about tax increases. so they want to make sure they get spending cuts to go with...
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why am i putting all this on poor john boehner? a congressman from ohio, from a working family himself. because it's within his power to call before the house of representatives a measure that passed the united states senate last july. we passed on a bipartisan vote a measure to protect all families making less than $250,000 a year from any income tax increase on december 31. sent it over to the house of representatives. in july, and speaker boehner has refused to call this measure that would protect working families, and as a result, if he does nothing, their tax bill will go up $2,200 next year. how do you explain that? it's not only unfair to those families who are working and struggling, it's really not a good thing for this country. all of us know the issue of income and equality, how many working families are falling further and further behind every single year debt ceiling -- every single year despite their best efforts, despite their hard work. we also know many families are looking ahead and wondering how in the world are
why am i putting all this on poor john boehner? a congressman from ohio, from a working family himself. because it's within his power to call before the house of representatives a measure that passed the united states senate last july. we passed on a bipartisan vote a measure to protect all families making less than $250,000 a year from any income tax increase on december 31. sent it over to the house of representatives. in july, and speaker boehner has refused to call this measure that would...
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the speaker boehner have the votes for his proposal? >> the real question is he puts things out there with entitlements but it all private read to the will to you and your stand medicare/medicaid and long-term security drive the budget. the fact we discuss them is good. if it will be a deal there will have to be votes from both sides. the president and the speaker have dealt with one another before. on extending the bush tax cuts they did not shut down the government and cut discretionary spending and budget for the exchange in the increase but but of the debt ceiling this is more complex. and the beginning of the serious -- series of negotiations. the president is the president he won the election but the republicans won the house and not likely with the midterm election. hopefully this is the beginning of a good productive legislation's been iq made headlines to say go-ahead extend the tax cuts and later fight to extend for wealthier americans. does that change your position? >> what is the right thing to do but the two sides agreed t
the speaker boehner have the votes for his proposal? >> the real question is he puts things out there with entitlements but it all private read to the will to you and your stand medicare/medicaid and long-term security drive the budget. the fact we discuss them is good. if it will be a deal there will have to be votes from both sides. the president and the speaker have dealt with one another before. on extending the bush tax cuts they did not shut down the government and cut discretionary...
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so, just does speaker boehner have the votes for his proposal? >> guest: i think the question will be does the president have the votes? because the speaker put some things out in terms of entitlements and democrats are willing and screaming that can't be part of it, yet all of them privately will tell you what's driving the deficit more than any single thing of medicare and medicaid and longer-term social security, so the mere fact that we are discussing those types of things fit. in terms of the votes, look, if it's going to be a deal there has to be votes from both sides. the reality is -- and these guys, the president and the speaker dealt with one another before. they've never been able to come to a deal. they came to a huge deal during the lame-duck session in 2010 on extending the bush tax cuts. they came to another deal without shutting down the government in april of 2011 cutting discretionary spending by billions of dollars and they came to another one on the debt ceiling as well which was a 2.2 trillion dollar long-term reduction in ex
so, just does speaker boehner have the votes for his proposal? >> guest: i think the question will be does the president have the votes? because the speaker put some things out in terms of entitlements and democrats are willing and screaming that can't be part of it, yet all of them privately will tell you what's driving the deficit more than any single thing of medicare and medicaid and longer-term social security, so the mere fact that we are discussing those types of things fit. in...
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so why then hasn't speaker boehner called a vote? -- on the senate-passed middle-class tax cuts act? well, because threatening middle-class families with higher taxes is their strategy. to push for breaks for millionaires and billionaires. the hostage strategy with the middle class as the hostages, as republicans fight for who they really care about. if speaker boehner continues to ignore the senate-passed bill, i urge president obama to stand firm on his opposition to extending the upper-income tax cuts. the american people support that approach and we should not cave in to pressure. i'd also urge the president and congressional leaders to work to include the buffett rule principles in any deficit deal. letting the upper-income tax cuts expire and ensuring mult imillion dollar earners pay a fair share will assure the american people that we are working for them and not the special interests, as we allocate the burden of addressing our deficits. thank the chair. i yield the floor. i note the absence of a quorum. the presiding officer
so why then hasn't speaker boehner called a vote? -- on the senate-passed middle-class tax cuts act? well, because threatening middle-class families with higher taxes is their strategy. to push for breaks for millionaires and billionaires. the hostage strategy with the middle class as the hostages, as republicans fight for who they really care about. if speaker boehner continues to ignore the senate-passed bill, i urge president obama to stand firm on his opposition to extending the...
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just listen to the voices within speaker boehner's own party. there we go. a kent conrad i am not in terms of my facility with charts. it's clear that speaker boehner has needed cover from his right flank before he could agree to any deal on taxes with the president. the speaker didn't have it before, but he sure has it now. when "the wall street journal" editorial page says that decoupling would not go against conservatives' antitax principles, that gives a whole lot of cover to the speaker. when grover norquist refuses to declare whether decoupling would violate his group's pledge, that, too, gives a whole lot of cover to the speaker. and when more and more rank-and-file republicans come out publicly every day in favor of passing the senate bill, that, too, gives cover to the speaker. you really have to absolute cram tom cole. he was the first one on the other side to dare speak the truth about what should be done on taxes and he's been on tv almost every day making the case to his party in public. the day after congressman cole went public he was dismisse
just listen to the voices within speaker boehner's own party. there we go. a kent conrad i am not in terms of my facility with charts. it's clear that speaker boehner has needed cover from his right flank before he could agree to any deal on taxes with the president. the speaker didn't have it before, but he sure has it now. when "the wall street journal" editorial page says that decoupling would not go against conservatives' antitax principles, that gives a whole lot of cover to the...
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the presiding officer: the the presiding officer: the >> the holdup right now is speaker boehner took a position the day after the campaign that those who are willing to, but not increase rates. that explains why we don't think that works. born in insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan victory. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. now we've seen some movement over the last several days among some republicans. i think there's a recognition that may be they can expect some rate increases as long as it's serious entitlement reform and conditional spending cuts. if we can get the leadership on the republican side to take that framework, to his knowledge that reality, then then i'm yours actually aren't that far apart. another way of readiness as we can probably solve this in about a week. it is not that tough. but we made that conceptual breakthrough that says we need to do a balanced plan. that's what's best for the economy. that's what the american people voted for and that's ever going to get it done. one last point, most are tak
the presiding officer: the the presiding officer: the >> the holdup right now is speaker boehner took a position the day after the campaign that those who are willing to, but not increase rates. that explains why we don't think that works. born in insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan victory. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. now we've seen some movement over the last several days among some republicans. i think there's a...
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speaker boehner is saying all right, mr. president, you won the election, you want more taxes, we're willing to do that. we don't want to do it, we think it will hurt the economy, but we're willing to do it. but to minimize the damage on the economy, at least do it through eliminating these loopholes, these so-called deductions and credits and special provisions. don't try to do it by raising tax rates because that directly hits the small business that you're trying to help create jobs right now. here is what small businesses care about. like i said, you have a dad and his two sons. maybe mom does the accounting for the firm and so on. they have to be concerned about the estate tax. the small businesses spend a lot of money trying to plan around paying the estate tax. on january 1 if we don't do anything, there is only a million dollars exempted. if you have a small business with a bunch of trucks and equipment and like, you're going to have far more than a million dollars in assets in the business. same thing for a farm. an
speaker boehner is saying all right, mr. president, you won the election, you want more taxes, we're willing to do that. we don't want to do it, we think it will hurt the economy, but we're willing to do it. but to minimize the damage on the economy, at least do it through eliminating these loopholes, these so-called deductions and credits and special provisions. don't try to do it by raising tax rates because that directly hits the small business that you're trying to help create jobs right...